Saturday, August 15, 2009

Nationalized Health Care ... WWJD?

A recent comment left on my blog by someone who appears to support NaziCare attempted to make the case that Jesus would support a Universal, Single Payor, Nationalized health care system. "Consider whether the “Public Option”, whether “Single Payer”, whether “Universal” Health Insurance, isn’t something more like WWJD than the alternative."

I gave a somewhat flippant retort, saying that when Jesus healed all the folks around him 2000 years ago, he didn't attempt to bankrupt the nation in the process. Perhaps the challenge of WWJD deserves a longer response.

I guess it would be cool if Jesus Himself would just appear out of heaven and say "I like the Obama health care plan!" and then go back and leave us all alone.

Then again, Jesus isn't a puppet on a liberal string. I don't think Jesus would say something like that without also mentioning things like the death panels, about government funded abortions, about confiscatory taxation, about the rationing of care, about people dying while waiting for operations, about people getting a pain pill instead of surgery, and about all the lying that is coming from congress and the President. I suspect he may care about those things, too.

I don't think Jesus would come back to support national health care and ignore all of our sin, all the babies we have slaughtered through abortions and all the babies we want to continue to slaughter through government funded abortions. If Jesus would only ignore all of our lies, our theft, our blasphemy, rampant homosexuality and all of the porn we have published and made available to our children, he could just tell all the Christian leaders to support government paid health care and then go away and let us live our lives like we want ... wouldn't that be great?

Of course, the accusation that not supporting Universal Health Care is somehow an UnChristian position ignores the fact that Jesus advocated personal responsibility and personal charity. He never advocated an increase government bureaucracy to force charity from people. The accusation also ignores all of the Catholic and Baptist hospitals (not to mention others). It ignores the fact that Christians, conservatives and republicans give more to charities that help the poor than atheists, liberals and democrats. The accusation also ignores the fact that the left wants any mention of God, Jesus and Christian principles left out of our political debates, except when they can twist the Christian faith around to suit their purposes.

In the liberal mind, there is an unproven assumption that their goal of nationalizing health care is more christian than other solutions. However, the more I read what Jesus taught, the more I see the importance of a moral law imposed by seeking God, because a man with the Holy Spirit guiding him will do the right thing, while a society governed by civil law enforced by the ungodly remains and becomes even more ungodly.

The national health plan involves seizing assets from the populace; power over life and death; and forced redistribution of wealth (which was big in Roman times); none of which Jesus advocated. His directives on wealth were always toward individual conscience under divine direction.

Under our current system, people who need health care usually get it. It is not uncommon at all for doctors to provide free care, including surgical care, pharmacies to provide free medications to the uninsured and underinsured, and hospitals and other health care providers to write off bills for those who cannot pay their bills. While there are exceptions, and while people do "slip through the cracks," so to speak, there is a great deal of "Christian Charity" in the current system. To imply that a universal single payer system is somehow more "Christian" is to close your eyes to the inherent charity in the current system.

I doubt this is the last word on the subject, but I think it is a tough proposition to claim that a universal single payor system is the answer to the question WWJD.

But as long as we are on the subject, did you know that Jesus advocated a "flat tax?" Not a flat percentage, such as 17%, but a flat dollar amount tax, such as $1000 for every citizen. (You have to dig, but it's there.) Would the liberals who want to "force" Christians into accepting universal health care with the WWJD argument be willing to apply Biblical principles and the WWJD argument to the flat tax issue? When it comes to that, you could call me a "doubting Thomas."

14 comments:

Soloman August 16, 2009 at 1:30 AM  

I had the "Human Rights" debate with some lefties on HuffPo today.. they can't understand that humans run private corporations too. They also don't get it that government can take away our health care, therefore it's not a "Human Right."

Like your blog.. added myself as a follower and I'm adding you to my blogroll. Picked up the TROP widget too.. very cool.

Take care.

LSP August 16, 2009 at 7:54 AM  

Our Lord is singularly unimpressed with godless, theistical humanists and deadending secular project.

Why do leftists persist in invoking the support of a deity they don't believe in?

Have a blessed Sunday.

The Right Guy August 16, 2009 at 8:24 AM  

And this is why the government should not have an official religion. What if you don't believe in Jesus or anything for that matter? Now you would be subject to what a religious figure would do? It's ludicrous for the left to invoke Jesus.

I find it disingenuous that the left invokes Jesus on such a topic. Like it has been said, I wonder what Jesus would say about them supporting abortion, even late term abortion alone. This alone would be an interesting thing to see...Talk about a cosmic smackdown, which will happen anyway.

Soloman:
Healthcare isn't a human right per se.

Conservative Scalawag August 16, 2009 at 10:05 AM  

So you got Dom leaving comments on your blog too huh?

Sorry but I don't agreed with having to pay for another citizens, and definally not an illegals medial bills.

Sure, there should be a safety net, but to pay for it in full, when I can barely keep my own health care,which I pay for out of my pocket via my work place - is just flat out theft.

sorry, but I an not my brothers keeper, and my fellow man has no more right to place demand of me as I do of placing demands on him.

Muslims Against Sharia August 16, 2009 at 12:06 PM  
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LSP August 16, 2009 at 1:09 PM  

For *theistical read "atheistical"...

MAS - good point - 'hate speech' prosecution is just a step away. Trad christians - or classical ethicists of any variety had better watch out.

Bob Qat August 16, 2009 at 3:22 PM  

Regarding overbearing taxation, God (someone Jesus certainly knows) said through the prophet Amos:

"They hate the voice of righteousness. They hate the voice speaking truth in public.

"They trample upon the innocent and take an excess taxes from them. They have a fancy house built for themselves, but they shall not occupy them. They plant gardens with trees for their personal pleasure,but they shall not be to see them.

"God has seen their evil doings; they take oaths falsely, so they could afflict the innocent and the good; they take bribes and pervert justice; they ignore the cries of the needy among the people.

"God pronounced justice on them, 'They shall fall, and never rise again.'"

Amos 5:10-12, parphrase

Miss T.C. Shore August 16, 2009 at 10:10 PM  

Solomon: Good point. I’m also not sure that you can call something a “right” if it can be rationed or withheld on the basis of prognosis.

LSP: True, but I’m sure he is also unimpressed with conservatives and republicans. I don’t believe God picks sides; instead he asks us to make choices. That’s the reason that I felt the comment deserved a more comprehensive response.

Right Guy: I agree with you. I have always been amused when the left invokes Jesus or religion when they can twist it to suit their position. Any other time, they want God/Jesus/religion completely out of the discussion.

Scalawag: I also do not agree with paying for the medical bills of illegal aliens.

Muslims against Sharia: I am deleting your comment because it is not on topic. Use your own blog to publish your agenda. If I write on that topic, then you may comment on it.

Bob Qat: You make a good point, but many leftists have a disconnect when it comes to the old testament.

Miss T.C. Shore August 16, 2009 at 10:10 PM  

Solomon: Good point. I’m also not sure that you can call something a “right” if it can be rationed or withheld on the basis of prognosis.

LSP: True, but I’m sure he is also unimpressed with conservatives and republicans. I don’t believe God picks sides; instead he asks us to make choices. That’s the reason that I felt the comment deserved a more comprehensive response.

Right Guy: I agree with you. I have always been amused when the left invokes Jesus or religion when they can twist it to suit their position. Any other time, they want God/Jesus/religion completely out of the discussion.

Scalawag: I also do not agree with paying for the medical bills of illegal aliens.

Muslims against Sharia: I am deleting your comment because it is not on topic. Use your own blog to publish your agenda. If I write on that topic, then you may comment on it.

Bob Qat: You make a good point, but many leftists have a disconnect when it comes to the old testament.

Muslims Against Sharia August 17, 2009 at 12:08 AM  

"Muslims Against Sharia, August 16, 2009 12:06 PM This post has been removed by a blog administrator."

I guess "a blog administrator" is too stupid to see the point of the post. Unlike LSP who understood it.

Miss T.C. Shore August 17, 2009 at 9:26 AM  

MAS: That's certainly not outside the realm of possibilities.

Muslims Against Sharia August 17, 2009 at 2:44 PM  

The point was is to show how the Internet Snitch Brigade is expanding the use of flag@whitehouse.gov

Miss T.C. Shore August 17, 2009 at 4:33 PM  

Yes, I understand that.

What does that have to do with the topic of the left using the What Would Jesus Do argument to advance the health care agenda?

Muslims Against Sharia August 17, 2009 at 7:22 PM  

It defines the MO of the people who push "NaziCare."

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