Wednesday, April 8, 2009

Do We CONSIDER Ourselves a Christian Nation?

Yes, Obama lied.  We do, in fact, consider ourselves a Christian nation...

And the surveys say....

- 80% to 90% of Americans identify themselves as "Christian" (depending on the survey used)
- 55% of Americans believe that the Constitution "establishes a Christian nation."
- 50% of Americans would allow schools to teach the Bible as a factual text in history classes
- 75% of Americans view the United States as a "Christian Nation" whether or not the Constitution identifies us as such


James Wolfer April 8, 2009 at 12:15 PM  

But "we" as a government, which Obama is part of, does not.

James Wolfer April 8, 2009 at 12:20 PM  

The majority of people believe lots of things about the US that aren't true. Like here's another one:

A left-wing blogger commented that the mormon church should lose its tax exempt status because they voted against prop. 8 and became political.

A pastor blogger's response is that they should not lose it because the church is very often political. Churches do not get tax exempt status because they are charities. They are tax-exempt because taxing is the power to control, and the government does not have control over religion and visa versa.

Another example.

In the 1800's the majority of citizens of the US thought slavery was okay.

In the 1900's, up until the 1960's, the majority of the US considered segregation as okay.

Turns out that it doesn't matter what people consider as facts if those facts are wrong.

James Wolfer April 8, 2009 at 12:26 PM  

I just read your series.

We were founded by religious people seeking religious freedom. They did use freemasonry as a template for our country.

Just because they believed in God did not mean they wanted a Christian State. Far from it.

We were always meant to be a state in which people could worship freely.

Yes, many of our laws can be traced to Christianity. Such as thou shalt not kill.

But we weren't ever meant to legislate "just because the bible says so"...we aren't a Christian Nation like many other states are Muslim nations.

We are a free nation.

So while some wrongly consider us a Christian nation, we are merely a nation that contains a "Christian" majority (many are not really christians, but that is a discussion in and of itself) but also contains atheists, agnostics, muslims, jews, hindus, etc.

We are simply a nation of freedom.

Red April 8, 2009 at 1:36 PM  

I do believe Christian precepts were implemented to base our laws and burgeoning country upon. However the demographic has changed drastically since our Founding Fathers.

It is hard to listen to Obama when he speaks for the nation, particularly for many right-leaning Christian people such as myself because oftentimes religion, in particular Christianity, is frequently skewered by the MSM and liberal society at large putting that demographic, which happens to be in the majority, on the defense.

America houses many religions, many people of different faiths or none at all that have the freedom to practice. However, it will be a great day in America when Christianity and its tenets are given a reprieve from being treated as the "root of all wrongs and prejudices" in this country by those who seem to have nothing but contempt for anything remotely religious.

I find many ivy league liberal elitists view those practicing a faith, often times Christianity to place themselves in a position of intellectual and spiritual superiority in their nay saying towards religious practices. What better way to alienate people while diminishing one's own credibility—particularly if you are the leader of the Free World. Obama's faith and religious practices have been put to question throughout his time in the public. His remark regarding those in small towns "clinging to their guns and religion" was particularly offensive and thoughtless. It's no surprise that anything he has to say comes under fierce scrutiny and distrust.

Miss T.C. Shore April 8, 2009 at 2:20 PM  

Wolf, you miss the point completely. Obama attempted to tell the Muslim world (Turkey, specifically) that the AMERICAN PEOPLE do not consider America to be a "Christian Nation." He said nothing about how we are structured from a constitutional or legal standpoint.


How can I be more clear? He lied, he lied, he lied, he lied, he lied.


That is a fact.

I stand behind my posts regarding the founding of our country. You libs want to deny it, but the founders were, by and large (with a handful of exceptions) Christian people who founded the nation on their Christian values, principles and ideals. Those posts were in response to your comment indicating that (essentially) you felt our founding fathers were, more or less, non-religious people. That is untrue, also, but not the point.

The point is, OBAMA LIED. He made a statement about what AMERICANS CONSIDER THEIR NATION TO BE! He lied about that.

There is no getting around it.

This is not something the media will point out or even debate. But it is true.

We consider ourselves to be a Christian nation. Surveys show that to be the case. Obama said otherwise. He lied. He lied. He lied. Get used to it.

Red April 8, 2009 at 3:11 PM  

It's the 2009 World Apology Tour. One writer put it best when he wrote that Obama was dressing up Lady Liberty in sack cloth and ashes as he gives his mea culpa on behalf of America.

Barry does not speak for me.

I am not sorry and I did not vote for him.

James Wolfer April 8, 2009 at 3:34 PM  

Miss TC Shore:

I'm sorry you did not agree with Obama. Doesn't mean he lied. Those that lead the US, those that are educated know that we are not a "Christian" Nation, just as we are not a "caucasian" nation. Majority does not rule. If a bunch of uneducated want to believe that we are a Christian Nation and must legislate accordingly, they are sadly misinformed. We aren't a Christian nation, and no vote is going to be put up to change that. That means that the opinions of those that are misinformed about our nation as a secular vs religious state really don't count. Their opinion would only matter if it were up to a vote.

He did not lie.

A lie would be saying "Iraq is part of Al Qaeda!"

Also, your surveys show that 75% of Americans view the US as a "Christian Nation"...two things.

One, I would like to see the source.

Two: How many people in the US were polled in this survey?

James Wolfer April 8, 2009 at 3:41 PM  

What he actually said was
"I’ve said before that one of the great strengths of the United States is – although as I mentioned we have a very large Christian population – we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation, or a Jewish nation, or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values."

As I mentioned before, if people disagree with that then it doesn't make Obama a lier. He could say "We are not a caucasian nation. We are a nation that contains caucasians, and african americans, and native americans, and hispanics..." Just because a majority is present doesn't make it the definition of the country.

James Wolfer April 8, 2009 at 3:44 PM  

And what he said in Turkey was just reiteration of what he said while running for President:

"Whatever we once were, we're no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers. We should acknowledge this and realize that when we're formulating policies from the state house to the Senate floor to the White House, we've got to work to translate our reasoning into values that are accessible to every one of our citizens, not just members of our own faith community."

On these quotes, he's not a liar. He's trying to bridge gaps.

As I said before, this really isn't something that deserves criticism.

Focus these energies on something that does, like the bailouts or his staffing choice. You'll get no arguments from the left on those. Most of us are not happy with his cabinet either, or the bailouts.

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