Saturday, April 4, 2009

Colorado extending benefits to illegals

A proposal to grant in-state tuition to illegal immigrants passed out of a Colorado state Senate committee this week after Democrats moved up a vote on the bill to coincide with a Republican opponent's absence from the state on a family emergency.

Republican state Sen. Ted Harvey's father-in-law has Alzheimer's disease and his health began deteriorating so rapidly early this week that Mr. Harvey was forced to take a few days off to transport the ailing man from Florida to Colorado.

Even so, Mr. Harvey had planned to return to the state legislature in time for Friday's Appropriations Committee vote on Senate Bill 170, the in-state tuition bill. He had also planned to vote against it, which would have resulted in a 5-5 tie that would have killed the legislation.

Instead, the committee's Democratic chairman, state Sen. Abel Tapia, seized the opportunity and rescheduled the vote for Wednesday. Without Mr. Harvey, the bill passed 5-4 and now heads to the Senate floor.

Other Republicans on the Appropriations Committee tried to stop the early vote, but were stymied by Democrats. Mr. Tapia told Denver's Fox TV affiliate later that the vote was rescheduled so that the committee could clear its backlog of bills.

The bill's sponsor, Democratic state Sen. Chris Romer, son of former Colorado Gov. Roy Romer, argued that there was no reason to wait until Friday because the Appropriations Committee is charged only with weighing the legislation's fiscal impact.

Democrats have argued that the bill would have a positive effect on the state budget because more students would be attending state universities and thus paying tuition. Republicans counter that the state will lose money because those students would ordinarily be paying the higher out-of-state tuition rate.

Republicans were outraged, accusing the Democrats of taking advantage of Mr. Harvey's difficult personal circumstances.

Mr. Harvey's office did not immediately return a call for comment Thursday.

The bill could now come up for a vote before the full Senate as early as Thursday, although it must still win approval in the House before going before the governor.

Democrats control both chambers, and passage by the Senate appropriations committee was widely considered the biggest hurdle the bill faced.

Democratic Gov. Bill Ritter has said he will sign the bill, which would give in-state tuition to illegal immigrants who have attended a Colorado high school for at least three years. The students must also attend college within one year of graduation or earning their GED.

Nine states now have similar laws, although many are awaiting court challenges.

This story highlights one of the major problems I have with the Democraps and their party.  They don't understand that the term "Illegal alien" includes the word "illegal" and the implications of that.  There is no way that any government agency or branch should be discussing benefits to people, who by their very definition are breaking the law.  Instead, they should be debating ways to identify and deporting these people.  And WHY in the world are we spending government funds on illegal aliens in a time of economic crisis?


James Wolfer April 4, 2009 at 1:14 PM  

Here's why many of us have problems with the label "illegal alien":

What you said who by their very definition are breaking the law...

Its the only law in our history that makes someone perpetually breaking the law.

We should prosecute them for the act of coming here illegally. Not for being here. Give them a fine and tell them to get in line for citizenship or get out.

Now on to your post.

These are kids! We don't normally prosecute kids for the crimes of their parents. These kids didn't break the law. They were brought here. Because they were minors. They had no choice. They should be given citizenship status, not deported. Many of them don't even speak Spanish, and have lived here as long as you have. They are as American as you or I, and the only reason they are being scrutinized is because of a decision and crime their parents made. Let them go to college if they work on getting their citizenship.

Red April 4, 2009 at 5:57 PM  

James: Let these children of illegal immigrants pay for their own college then unless you want to supplicate from your own pocket.

Dems are immune to words like "illegal" and "unconstitutional" because they think they are being mavericks by "sticking it to the man" only "the man" they are sticking it to is the average joe working class citizen.

Underhanded move by CO. Dems. Just shady. If CO is serious about stopping this then they need to threaten to oust the governor like they did here with Jindal when he hedged on vetoing triple pay raises for the La. House and Senate. People need to speak up if they don't like it but moreso they need to take action. That speaks louder than bitching about it.

Miss T.C. Shore April 4, 2009 at 10:52 PM  

Wolfman- your argument makes no sense. An illegal alien not only comes here illegally (thus breaking the law), but continually breaks the law by being here illegally. It is not the only law that someone can "perpetually" break. If I'm trespassing and stay on someone else's private property, I'm perpetually trespassing until I leave that property. If I'm speeding, I'm perpetually breaking the law as long as I continue to speed.

I don't care if "these are only kids". If they are here illegally, arrest them and send them back. The benefits and "kindness" we give illegal aliens is why they keep breaking the law by coming (and staying) here. Only harsher treatment will stop this flood across our borders.

James Wolfer April 5, 2009 at 12:17 AM  

Red: They are paying for their college. As in state residents. Because they have been here since childhood. No one is paying for it.

Point taken on the trespassing argument.

But as for the kids, it is the only crime that we have where we punish the children for their parents' crime.

If a child was brought here as a child, grew up American, think they are an American citizen, doesn't even speak Spanish, should they be sent "home" when they or the government realizes it?

Send them to Mexico or Guatemala, where they won't even know the language or culture and are American in all but name?

Furthering your trespassing analogy:

You are squatting on Mr. Smith's land, living there illegally in your tent. Mr. Smith comes over and starts trying to force you off his land. But then you realize, WAIT. He isn't really the owner of the land. Didn't he actually steal the land from Mr. Jones and put Mr Jones and his family in a tented area at the edge of the property? And when Mr. Smith is trying to evict you, it comes out that while you are actually related to Mr. Jones? And Mr. Jones would gladly let you stay if he weren't stuck in the reservation, er, tented area?

Brings it into perspective, don't it. You can't tell someone they are trespassing when its not your house to begin with.

Miss T.C. Shore April 5, 2009 at 3:37 PM  

No, it doesn't bring anything into perspective. That's just stupid.

Epic Fail.

Try again.

James Wolfer April 6, 2009 at 1:56 PM  

That's why analogies don't work. It's not an epic fail. Let me break it down for you. This land was stolen from the Natives; treaties broken how many times by the US government?

The Mexican people are related to those natives.

Moving on from that.

Something DOES need to be done about illegal immigration. Amnesty doesn't work. Rounding them up and sending them home doesn't work logistically either.

Obama has a pretty good plan. Illegals, you must pay a fine and get in line, the back of the line, to get your citizenship. If you don't, then when you come asking for help, we send you home.

James Wolfer April 6, 2009 at 1:56 PM  

and btw, just because you don't agree with something doesn't make you stupid.

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